Bach Sonatas and Partitas for Solo Violin Milstein Dg Review

Y'all accept made the decision, you have finally decided to buy the six Bach'south Solo Sonatas and Partitas. Earlier you practice this you lot must give it some thought.

Who's consummate version will you purchase or will you lot buy the six played by dissimilar violinists, and why you have made your choice?

Your option is based on violinists of today and violinists of the past, or will you only buy them by your favourite violinist.

In conclusion I volition mail my own preference.

Which violinist I would purchase playing all vi

Who I would buy if I chose six unlike violinists.

This question may take been posed earlier, I take been hear since July 2000, only past at present your will probably take reconsidered.

Mail service by **Donaldopato** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 half-dozen:04 am

The classic Milstein DG recording is the merely one with which I am intimately familiar. An most aristocratic, maybe a bit old fashioned performance.... but what exquisite playing.

Mail past **Ken** » Thu Aug thirteen, 2009 6:31 am

Ane more than hazard for me to hype my favourite violinist...

For contempo accounts, the James Ehnes and Julia Fischer recordings are outstanding, and sound quality is superb. I honestly notice information technology a scrap difficult to warm upwardly to the Menuhin recording, for example, considering the sound quality masks the intimate qualities of the instrument that these pieces can then wonderfully convey. I haven't heard the Milstein recording but have read cypher but rave reviews of it.

I did hear the contempo Christian Tetzlaff recording, which received good printing, but didn't myself find anything spectacular in information technology.

Postal service past **violinland** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:35 am

Donaldopato wrote:The classic Milstein DG recording is the but one with which I am intimately familiar. An almost aristocratic, maybe a flake old fashioned performance.... but what exquisite playing.

Without incertitude an excellent choice I bought the LPs when they were issued

Mail service past **Imperfect Pitch** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:44 am

I've heard many unlike recordings - Milstein (both versions), Szeryng, Menuhin, Heifetz, Perlman, Tetzlaff - but my favorite consummate set is Arthur Grumiaux's. He is the merely one who, to my ears, preserves the rhythmic continuity that is so of import in Bach, creating the sense that the last note of one phrase forms the first of the side by side. I find that this illusion is destroyed when the performer applies too much rubato.

Post past **ccar** » Thu Aug thirteen, 2009 7:21 am

Thank you for this interesting challenge.

Only to fuel the discussion my preferences (in global) become to:
i. Joseph Szigetti (1955-56)
two. Nathan Milstein (1954-56;1973)
3. Henryk Szering (1965;1967)
4. Oleg Kagan (1989 live).

To name information technology piece by piece is a very interesting but enervating challenge - I will go dorsum afterward some more suggestions from the forum and some comparative relistening.

Carlos

Post by **violinland** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 viii:22 am

ccar wrote:Thanks for this interesting challenge.

Merely to fuel the discussion my preferences (in global) go to:
ane. Joseph Szigetti (1955-56)
ii. Nathan Milstein (1954-56;1973)
3. Henryk Szering (1965;1967)
four. Oleg Kagan (1989 live).

To proper noun it piece by piece is a very interesting but demanding challenge - I will get back after some more than suggestions from the forum and some comparative relistening.

Carlos

These are very good choices indeed, all are proficient Bach players, no like shooting fish in a barrel feat. I like the Szigetti very much. Who could but neglect to be satisfied with Bach of Nathan Milstein. Kagan another fine violinist only I do not know the this live recording yous quote, I am sure he did a good job.

Thanks for your mail service.

Post by **ccar** » Thu Aug thirteen, 2009 9:21 am

Happy yous also like Szigeti. His Bach readings may not be the most perfect for your brain but are truly wonderful for our center.

Post by **Lance** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 ten:28 am

Over the years, I've amassed several recordings on LP and CD. I list the CD versions and will indicate in red the ones I turn to most oftentimes:

•Milstein/DGG
•Milstein/EMI
•Menuhin/EMI
•Josef Suk/EMI
•Grumiaux/Philips
•Heifetz/RCA
•Maurice Sklar/his ain label
•Szeryng/DGG (1967, Vevey, Switzerland)
•R. Ricci/MCA
•R. Ricci/Regis (British Unicorn recordings)
•Szigeti/Vanguard
•Rosand/Vox
•Oleg Kagan/Warner-Apex-Erato

Oddly, given Heifetz's grand reputation, I don't observe in his performances the "elegance" I detect in Milstein's, either on EMI or DGG. Grumiaux seems to render the kind of functioning that suits this music to a tee and would nearly likely be the first recording I hear the followed past those of Milstein. Of course, there are many private recordings of split sonatas and partitas that also get regular hearings. Szigeti'south tone quality and intonation I detect agonizing at times, but he was probably at his apex when he recorded them for Vanguard, and there is much to enjoy in his fix.

Post past **Chalkperson** » Thu Aug xiii, 2009 10:45 am

Arthur Grumiaux
Ilya Gringolts
Rachel Podger
Viktoria Mullova

Postal service by **Ken** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:34 pm

^ For Mullova, do yous mean her most recent recording, or the initial Philips recording that featured only the Partitas?

Mail service past **Chalkperson** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:49 pm

Ken wrote:^ For Mullova, practise yous mean her most recent recording, or the initial Philips recording that featured but the Partitas?

The new recording on Onyx, it's stunnng, her reading of the Harpsichord Sonatas with Ottavio Dantone on Onyx is equally good, I have never heard the Philips Recording...

Post past **Donaldopato** » Thu Aug thirteen, 2009 12:49 pm

violinland wrote:

Donaldopato wrote:The classic Milstein DG recording is the just one with which I am intimately familiar. An nigh aloof, perchance a flake quondam fashioned performance.... just what exquisite playing.

Without doubt an first-class choice I bought the LPs when they were issued

As did I. A re-create, either LP or CD has been in my drove ever since.

Post past **gfweis** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:08 pm

No. ane for me is Josef Suk (EMI, recorded 1970). He just compels my attention and my involvement. He has great soul, innigkeit.

I am a keen admirer of (the earlier) Szigeti, only equally I recall I did not care for his gear up of Bach sonatas & partitas because of some intonation issues. Weren't they from about the mid-fifties? Did anyone else get an impression of pitch bug? I haven't heard them in many years.

There is i flow instrument version that I liked very much: Rachel Podger (Channel Classics). Great musician.

Post by **JackC** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:14 pm

gfweis wrote:No. 1 for me is Josef Suk (EMI, recorded 1970). He but compels my attention and my interest. He has great soul, innigkeit.

I am a keen admirer of (the earlier) Szigeti, just as I retrieve I did non care for his gear up of Bach sonatas & partitas because of some intonation bug. Weren't they from nigh the mid-fifties? Did anyone else go an impression of pitch problems? I haven't heard them in many years.

There is one period instrument version that I liked very much: Rachel Podger (Channel Classics). Great musician.

I have always loved the Szigeti set, I got the LPs on the Vanguard characterization -- though I agree there are quite noticeable intonation issues. I as well agree with the Milstein/EMI recommendation.

Post by **Heck148** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 one:28 pm

Heifetz works for me.

Mail service by **violinland** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:45 pm

Our thread is going well, I am delighted.

However, I would like more of you lot to tell us why you would cull or have already called your particular violinist. Some posters take of course .

When we accomplish the end I shall post a link to my podcast where you tin can hear four violinists playing different movements. I have chosen the iv because after many years of playing and listening to Solo Bach these are the best examples I know. When pedagogy graduates nosotros eventually written report the Bach Sonata and Partitas. and these are the examples I quote. When discussing the Sonatas with both local and international violinists all have more or less agreed on these four recordings as outstanding and the most *********. The missing word in the sentence is the inkling to the who thread. If yous find the missing discussion you will come across the question in a different light.

By the manner the iv recordings I quote are not the only outstanding recordings of Bach merely the list has to finish somewhere.

Thank you all and then far.

Post by **violinland** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 ii:54 pm

JackC wrote:

gfweis wrote:No. i for me is Josef Suk (EMI, recorded 1970). He just compels my attention and my interest. He has slap-up soul, innigkeit.

I am a neat admirer of (the earlier) Szigeti, just as I recall I did not intendance for his set of Bach sonatas & partitas because of some intonation issues. Weren't they from nearly the mid-fifties? Did anyone else get an impression of pitch problems? I haven't heard them in many years.

There is 1 menses instrument version that I liked very much: Rachel Podger (Aqueduct Classics). Bully musician.

I have ever loved the Szigeti set, I got the LPs on the Vanguard label -- though I concord there are quite noticeable intonation problems. I also agree with the Milstein/EMI recommendation.

I could not concur more nearly the intonation, merely the musicianship is of the highest.

There is one more trouble with the the Szigeti sets of LPs. Originally they were issued in mono. Later they were reissued in the evil enhanced stereo, when the pitch factor become even more than noticeable.

I accept the originals on reel to reel tape and bought the evil electronically re-recorded version to simulate stereo on the Olympic label.

Postal service past **Chalkperson** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 3:fourteen pm

Chalkperson wrote:Arthur Grumiaux
Ilya Gringolts

Rachel Podger
Viktoria Mullova

The first two are on modern versions, the bottom two period performances, I chose four considering I have about thirty or more than sets, if I had to sell all just iv and so these are the ones I would proceed...

I take never heard Josef Suk, I love his playing, I shall exist searching out that recording...

Mail service by **violinland** » Thu Aug xiii, 2009 4:02 pm

LANCE

Practice you take the Heifetz Solo Bach issued in re-issued by Robert Staub It is of the the Heifetz Sonata in Grand minor recorded in London on December eleven 1935 DB2721/2 and Partitia in D pocket-size recorded on December 4 and six, 1935 in London DB2723/six. I empathise that these 78s were unissued. I can tell you that they are superior in every fashion to the LP recordings. They take been issued on other labels since.

In another post I have promised to link to my podcast so that everyone tin can hear my choice of unaccompanied Bach recordings. I will add one movement from the RS LP. My great friend Thomas Clear gave me the LP when he stayed with me for a calendar week in 1972. Incidentally, the nighttime Articulate arrived Radio Budapst broadcast a programme on Jeno Hubay that I had recorded for them. We listened to the broadcast together and the next day he gave me two Jeno Hubay 78s.

You might be interested to hear that I gave Tom one of my prise recordings. The abridges Elgar played by Marie Hall c1923 and an Edison Velvet album of the Dream of Gerontius oh what divine experiences to have lived through had.

Mail by **Lance** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 four:55 pm

Hello, Cheniston:

Very nice thread you've created here. Regarding Heifetz's 1935 Bach Sonata or Partita solo recordings, I have the RCA "Heifetz Collection," which allegedly contains all of Heifetz'due south recordings for RCA, EMI and (I think) American Decca. I did some quick checking to encounter if the 1935 recordings of the works you lot mention are contained in this edition. I have the 1935 Bach performances, at least, in add-on to the recordings of the consummate Bach Sonatas/Partitas for RCA that Heifetz recorded and were issued on LP and CD, as I remember, the early 1950s.

To be more than specific, the RCA "Heifetz Collection" offers:

•Volume three, 61734, two CDs and contains:
Bach: Sonata #1 in thousand, BWV 1001 [17:27], recorded December 11, 1935 in England AND the Sonata #3 in C, BWV 1005 [xx:57], recorded on December half-dozen, 1935 in England.

•Volume 18, 61749, iii CDs and contains:
Bach: Partita #ii in d, BWV 1004 [26:38], recorded Dec four & 6, 1935 in England.

Without checking further, are these the Iii 1935 Bach recordings to which you lot refer? The EMI recordings were licensed to RCA for release for the Heifetz Collection You can't know how delighted I am to have caused this now very rare Heifetz effect! No doubtfulness you lot also accept a copy?

violinland wrote: Lance.

Do you have the Heifetz Solo Bach issued in re-issued by Robert Staub It is of the 1935 78s of Heifetz Sonata in G minor recorded in London DB2721/two and Partitia in D minor recorded in London DB2723/6. I understand that these 78s were unissued. I tin can tell you that they superior in every way to the LP recordings. They have been issued on other labels since.

In some other post I have promised to link to my podcast so that everyone tin can hear my selection of unaccompanied Bach recordings. I will add one movement from the RS LP. My nifty friend Thomas Clear gave me the LP when he stayed with me for a week in 1972. Incidentally, the nighttime Clear arrived Radio Budapst circulate a program on Jeno Hubay that I had recorded for them. We listened to the broadcast together and the next day he gave me 2 Jeno Hubay 78s.

You might be interested to hear that I gave Tom one of my prise recordings. The abridges Elgar played by Marie Hall c1923 and an Edison Velvet album of the Dream of Gerontius oh what divine experiences to take lived through had.

Post by **violinland** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:31 pm

LANCE I had forgotten all about the Heifetz Collection. The Robert Strub LP was a private LP and was issued many years before the Heifetz Drove. It was quite exclusive in 1972 as only a few were for sale. I have and so many items on tape that at the time were practically unknown. Thank sky that most, but not all, have been made available to a wider audience.

Glad you similar the thread I hope it will generate some thought amongst are regulars.

Thanks for the dates by the way I will suit my records and the mail.

I am delighted to tell you that Master of the Bow is attracting some of the world'due south violin cognoscenti. The program is at present being repeated on Saturdays at 12.00pm GMT noon to Asia and the far E. Nosotros have listeners in Nippon.

Lance wrote:Hello, Cheniston:

Very nice thread you've created here. Regarding Heifetz'south 1935 Bach Sonata or Partita solo recordings, I have the RCA "Heifetz Collection," which allegedly contains all of Heifetz's recordings for RCA, EMI and (I think) American Decca. I did some quick checking and see if the 1935 recordings of the works you lot mention are contained in this edition. I have the 1935 Bach performances, at least, in add-on to the recordings of the complete Bach Sonatas/Partitas for RCA that Heifetz recorded and were issued on LP and CD, equally I recall, the early 1950s.

To exist more than specific, the RCA "Heifetz Collection" offers:

•Volume 3, 61734, 2 CDs and contains:
Bach: Sonata #ane in g, BWV 1001 [17:27], recorded December xi, 1935 in England AND the Sonata #3 in C, BWV 1005 [20:57], recorded on December 6, 1935 in England.

•Volume 18, 61749, 3 CDs and contains:
Bach: Partita #2 in d, BWV 1004 [26:38], recorded Dec 4 & half dozen, 1935 in England.

Without checking further, are these the THREE 1935 Bach recordings to which yous refer? The EMI recordings were licensed to RCA for release for the Heifetz Edition. You tin can't know how delighted I am to have acquired this at present very rare complete Heifetz issue! No dubiety yous likewise accept a copy?

violinland wrote: Lance.

Post by **Trilogy** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:46 pm

I own a re-create of Milstein, circa. 03-26-1954 on EMI. Also one which I doubt many take heard (of); Felix Ayo on Phillips - it's not bad.

I'one thousand dying to hear Heifetz and Grumiaux

Brendan · Post by **Brendan** » Thu Aug thirteen, 2009 11:10 pm

I bought the Grumiaux fix at the recommendation of folks hither (or perhaps another online site in the by) and haven't felt the need to look farther. I'll have to give them some other spin - they simply never grabbed me the way the cello suites have (can't think how many of those I take - well over a dozen), I guess.

Mail service past **CharmNewton** » Friday Aug 14, 2009 1:39 am

The set up I would purchase instantly hasn't been recorded yet. It would exist performed by Hilary Hahn, whose beauty of tone and and intonation I discover humbling. Information technology makes me curiosity at how wonderful and capable a person can be. Her disc of Sonata No. 2 and Partitas Nos. 2 and 3 is my favorite recording of these works.

I'd like to put in a vote for Yehudi Menuhin's 1975 recording of these works. This recording isn't as fearless every bit his 1930s set or as passionate as his 1950s set, but I find it securely committed. His love for this music shows more than than in the other recordings.

John

Postal service past **Lance** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:51 am

Indeed, I did, regarding intonation. This is something that plagued Szigeti'due south art later in his career, and a wide vibrato at times. However, his overall artistry is something to behold.

gfweis wrote:No. 1 for me is Josef Suk (EMI, recorded 1970). He just compels my attending and my interest. He has bang-up soul, innigkeit.

I am a great gentleman of (the earlier) Szigeti, but as I recall I did not treat his set of Bach sonatas & partitas because of some intonation issues. Weren't they from virtually the mid-fifties? Did anyone else get an impression of pitch problems? I oasis't heard them in many years.

There is ane period instrument version that I liked very much: Rachel Podger (Channel Classics). Bang-up musician.

Mail by **gfweis** » Fri Aug fourteen, 2009 10:18 am

Lance wrote: Indeed, I did, regarding intonation. This is something that plagued his art later in his career, and a wide vibrato at times. However, his overall artistry is something to behold.

gfweis wrote:No. one for me is Josef Suk (EMI, recorded 1970). He merely compels my attention and my involvement. He has slap-up soul, innigkeit.

I am a nifty admirer of (the before) Szigeti, but every bit I remember I did non care for his set of Bach sonatas & partitas considering of some intonation issues. Weren't they from about the mid-fifties? Did anyone else get an impression of pitch problems? I haven't heard them in many years.

There is i menstruation musical instrument version that I liked very much: Rachel Podger (Channel Classics). Keen musician.

Lance, I certainly hold with you and violinland nigh Szigeti'south artistry. I have a Classica d'Oro cd with a number of his Bach recordings from 1908-1937, and they are simply magical. I call back specially his arioso from Cantata No. 156 as putting me in a trance.

Is anyone else surprised, as I am, that not a single person has mentioned Perlman? Equally many will know, his set was the i in which he alternated betwixt his Guarnerius and his Stradivarius. I haven't had it for years...I believe I lent it to someone and it took flight, but I recall liking listening to it just for the sheer beauty of the violins, and of the perfection of his playing. It was actually the start gear up I endemic. Later on, yet, I didn't think he got nearly as deeply into the music equally Suk did.

After the Perlman, I got the Milstein on DG, but there was a sort of formality or detachment in that location, forth with a rather bright recording, that did non quite entreatment to me. I take not heard his EMI set. Mayhap I would like that better.

I wonder if Kogan ever recorded the sonatas and partitas. If so, that'south one I would love to hear.

And since Chalkie recommends Gringolts, that 1 too!

Post by **arglebargle** » Fri Aug fourteen, 2009 10:46 pm

Dare I mention Rudolf Gahler and his curved bow?

Thoughts or observations? I'one thousand well out of my depth on this - information technology this really the manner Bach would have played the work? It's an interesting variation from the norm (our modern norm?), sometimes sounds like in that location's more one instrument beingness played.

Meantime I impatiently await the upshot of this thread - Mr Grumiaux's recording is already looking like a likely almost-term purchase...

Post by **Lance** » Sat Aug xv, 2009 12:17 am

One wonders why we don't hear almost JOSEF SUK more than than nosotros do. I, likewise, love the homo'south fine art and accept a number of his recordings on diverse labels. His Brahms bedroom works with Julius Katchen are model performances. A fine Beethoven Violin Concerto west/Boult conducting, a fine Schubert "Trout" with Joerg Demus and visitor, splendid Dvorak Romantic Pieces, the three Grieg violin sonatas w/pianist Susan Kagan, music by Bargiel ... ah, so much more.

gfweis wrote:No. one for me is Josef Suk (EMI, recorded 1970). He just compels my attention and my interest. He has nifty soul, innigkeit.

I am a great admirer of (the earlier) Szigeti, but equally I recall I did non intendance for his set of Bach sonatas & partitas because of some intonation issues. Weren't they from near the mid-fifties? Did anyone else get an impression of pitch problems? I haven't heard them in many years.

There is one flow musical instrument version that I liked very much: Rachel Podger (Channel Classics). Great musician.

Postal service by **Chalkperson** » Saturday Aug xv, 2009 12:37 am

Lance wrote:I wonders why nosotros don't hear about JOSEF SUK more than than we exercise. I, too, beloved the homo's art and have a number of his recordings on diverse labels. His Brahms chamber works with Julius Katchen are model performances. A fine Beethoven Violin Concerto w/Boult conducting, a fine Schubert "Trout" with Joerg Demus and visitor, excellent Dvorak Romantic Pieces, the iii Grieg violin sonatas w/pianist Susan Kagan, music by Bargiel ... ah, then much more.

gfweis wrote:No. 1 for me is Josef Suk (EMI, recorded 1970). He just compels my attending and my interest. He has great soul, innigkeit.

I am a cracking admirer of (the earlier) Szigeti, but equally I recall I did not care for his set of Bach sonatas & partitas considering of some intonation issues. Weren't they from well-nigh the mid-fifties? Did anyone else get an impression of pitch issues? I haven't heard them in many years.

There is ane period instrument version that I liked very much: Rachel Podger (Channel Classics). Corking musician.

I have a ton of Suk'due south recordings, erstwhile and recent releases...

Post by **Lance** » Saturday Aug 15, 2009 12:46 am

Well, how do You rate Suk among the other greats? He just appears to me to be a cocky-made low profile kind of artist. Impeccable musician, however. Some prefer it this way.

Chalkperson wrote:

Lance wrote:One wonders why we don't hear about JOSEF SUK more than than we do. I, likewise, love the human being's fine art and have a number of his recordings on various labels. His Brahms sleeping room works with Julius Katchen are model performances. A fine Beethoven Violin Concerto w/Boult conducting, a fine Schubert "Trout" with Joerg Demus and company, first-class Dvorak Romantic Pieces, the 3 Grieg violin sonatas w/pianist Susan Kagan, music by Bargiel ... ah, so much more than.

gfweis wrote:No. ane for me is Josef Suk (EMI, recorded 1970). He just compels my attention and my involvement. He has neat soul, innigkeit.

I am a bully gentleman of (the earlier) Szigeti, merely every bit I recall I did not care for his fix of Bach sonatas & partitas considering of some intonation issues. Weren't they from about the mid-fifties? Did anyone else get an impression of pitch problems? I oasis't heard them in many years.

At that place is 1 period instrument version that I liked very much: Rachel Podger (Channel Classics). Keen musician.

I have a ton of Suk's recordings, one-time and recent releases...

Post by **Chalkperson** » Saturday Aug fifteen, 2009 12:49 am

Lance wrote:Well, how practise Y'all rate Suk among the other greats? He just appears to me to be a cocky-made depression profile kind of artist. Impeccable musician, however. Some prefer it this way.

He is like Moravec, they accept no wish to exist famous, they are happy to be just superb musicians...

Mail by **Lance** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:58 am

Greg, your question nigh Perlman is interesting. I dearest Perlman's work, and had the pleasure to prepare his pianoforte for concert. I never gave a thought to Perlman and the Bach Partitas/Sonatas. I didn't bank check to see if I have information technology on LP, just don't have Perlman's on CD. Mentally, I don't seem to attach his name to Bach'due south music — at least the Sonatas/Partitas, for whatever reason.

I did a quick search for Kogan and Bach inside my CD drove simply didn't immediately come up with anything. It may be the way I catalogue things. I'll cheque a little further and see if I can come up up with something.

Speaking of RUSSIAN violinists, did David Oistrakh ever tape the solo Sonatas/Partitas?

gfweis wrote:

Lance wrote: Indeed, I did, regarding pitch. This is something that plagued Szigeti's art later in his career, and a broad vibrato at times. Yet, his overall artistry is something to behold.

gfweis wrote:No. 1 for me is Josef Suk (EMI, recorded 1970). He only compels my attention and my interest. He has great soul, innigkeit.

I am a slap-up admirer of (the earlier) Szigeti, just as I recall I did not care for his set up of Bach sonatas & partitas considering of some intonation problems. Weren't they from about the mid-fifties? Did anyone else get an impression of pitch issues? I haven't heard them in many years.

There is 1 menses instrument version that I liked very much: Rachel Podger (Aqueduct Classics). Great musician.

Lance, I certainly agree with you lot and violinland most Szigeti's artistry. I have a Classica d'Oro cd with a number of his Bach recordings from 1908-1937, and they are just magical. I remember particularly his arioso from Cantata No. 156 as putting me in a trance.

Is anyone else surprised, equally I am, that not a single person has mentioned Perlman? As many will know, his set was the one in which he alternated betwixt his Guarnerius and his Stradivarius. I haven't had it for years...I believe I lent information technology to someone and it took flying, but I recall liking listening to information technology just for the sheer beauty of the violins, and of the perfection of his playing. It was actually the first set I owned. Later, however, I didn't think he got nigh as deeply into the music as Suk did.

After the Perlman, I got the Milstein on DG, but at that place was a sort of formality or detachment there, forth with a rather brilliant recording, that did not quite entreatment to me. I take not heard his EMI set. Mayhap I would similar that better.

I wonder if Kogan ever recorded the sonatas and partitas. If so, that'south one I would love to hear.

And since Chalkie recommends Gringolts, that one also!

Post by **Chalkperson** » Saturday Aug fifteen, 2009 2:52 am

Lance wrote:I did a quick search for Kogan and Bach inside my CD drove but didn't immediately come up with anything. It may be the way I catalogue things. I'll bank check a little further and see if I can come up upward with something.

Speaking of RUSSIAN violinists, did David Oistrakh ever record the solo Sonatas/Partitas?

I have Sonata BWV 1001 from 1947 on Living Treasures Vol.8, and I also have a reading of the Sonata for 2 Violins and Harpsichord Oistrakh played with his son Igor and Hans Pischner for DG in 1957...and by Kogan I have Sonata BWV 1005 on Orion and two movements of BWV 1004, also by Bach I take the complete Harpsichord Sonatas with Karl Richter on Olympia and a reading of BWV 1015 with Gregory Ginsberg on Piano...i'm really enjoying the Violin Sonata now...

I didn't cheque to meet if I have it on LP, but don't accept Perlman's on CD. Mentally, I don't seem to attach his name to Bach's music — at least the Sonatas/Partitas, for whatever reason.

Perlman'due south Sonatas and Partitas dominated the Catalog for many years in Europe actually, a 18-carat Recording of the Century on EMI...

Post by **arthound** » Sat Aug xv, 2009 6:34 am

I would like to add my vote to those who have been mentioning Mullova's recent recording on Onyx - a wonderful fix. I have besides simply picked up Szeryng'southward first set and have enjoyed what I have heard so far!

Mail service by **Marc** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 iii:02 pm

I like the Henryk Szeryng 2cd set of DG. It's a bit stubborn, maybe not e'er that fluent, just nevertheless I find his playing rather interesting.

Thomas Zehetmaier (Teldec) is very vivid, he's really playing like a boyfriend who'due south enjoying life, Bach's music and the violin.

Ingrid Matthews (Centaur Records) plays a bizarre violin, and she does this with great skill, as far every bit I'g concerned. She's very proficient in building the tension in each movement.

I'm also fond of the beginning recording past Sigiswald Kuijken for Harmonia Mundi. With him, there's a total lack of mannerism. Sure, his tone slips sometimes and his playing has its picayune faults, simply there's dandy involvement in his performance.

A very warm and expressive interpretation is presented past François Fernandez, on the Flora label. IMHO: very much recommended for all the 'HIP' lovers!

Post past **premont** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 iii:26 am

Marc wrote:

Ingrid Matthews (Centaur Records) plays a baroque violin, and she does this with cracking skill, as far as I'yard concerned. She'due south very good in building the tension in each movement.

I'chiliad also fond of the start recording by Sigiswald Kuijken for Harmonia Mundi. With him, there's a total lack of mannerism. Sure, his tone slips sometimes and his playing has its little faults, merely in that location'southward great involvement in his performance.

A very warm and expressive interpretation is presented by François Fernandez, on the Flora label. IMHO: very much recommended for all the 'HIP' lovers!

Must be ane of "All the HIP-lovers". Unfortunately I have non heard the Fernandez version - can´t discover a site where information technology is available. I very much share you preference for Matthews and Kuijken BTW.

Post by **Marc** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 vi:08 am

premont wrote:

Marc wrote:

Ingrid Matthews (Centaur Records) plays a baroque violin, and she does this with great skill, every bit far every bit I'm concerned. She's very skilful in building the tension in each move.

I'm also fond of the first recording by Sigiswald Kuijken for Harmonia Mundi. With him, there'southward a total lack of mannerism. Sure, his tone slips sometimes and his playing has its little faults, but there'south great interest in his performance.

A very warm and expressive interpretation is presented past François Fernandez, on the Flora label. IMHO: very much recommended for all the 'HIP' lovers!

Must exist i of "All the HIP-lovers". Unfortunately I have not heard the Fernandez version - can´t detect a site where it is available. I very much share yous preference for Matthews and Kuijken BTW.

Yes, information technology'due south very hard to get the Fernandez. The Flora label isn't a large company, I think. Yet they make recordings with very skilled HIP-artists like François Fernandez, Marc Haintaï, Philippe Pierlot and Rainer Zipperling.
I got the Bach solo violin works from this site:
http://world wide web.prelude-klassiekemuziek.nl/engels.html
If you can't detect the cd'south right away, then it's always possible to transport an e-mail. I'm pretty certain that shipping away won't exist a problem.

I'm thoroughly enjoying Oleg Kagan'due south (not to exist dislocated with Leonid Kogan!) performances on the Apex characterization. Considering it's a live recording and he played all half dozen in 1 concert shortly before his tragic early decease from cancer, these are remarkably assured readings. There's nary a note out of melody nor a scratchy/squeaky sound. He plays with nifty passion and warmth--perhaps less driven than Kremer, but with nicer tone. Knowing that he was terminally ill adds quite a moving element to the performances. Not to mention that it was quite a bargain for only $12!

Mail by **ccar** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:55 pm

Guitarist wrote:I'm thoroughly enjoying Oleg Kagan's (not to exist confused with Leonid Kogan!) performances on the Apex label. Considering it's a live recording and he played all six in 1 concert shortly before his tragic early death from cancer, these are remarkably assured readings. There's nary a note out of tune nor a scratchy/squeaky sound. He plays with cracking passion and warmth--perhaps less driven than Kremer, but with nicer tone. Knowing that he was terminally ill adds quite a moving element to the performances. Non to mention that it was quite a bargain for only $12!)

Fully agree. And the other Oleg Kagan'south recording of the partitas (on Live Classics) is also superb.

ccar wrote:

Guitarist wrote:I'm thoroughly enjoying Oleg Kagan's (not to be confused with Leonid Kogan!) performances on the Apex label. Considering it'south a live recording and he played all six in one concert presently before his tragic early on death from cancer, these are remarkably assured readings. At that place'south nary a note out of tune nor a scratchy/squeaky sound. He plays with great passion and warmth--perhaps less driven than Kremer, but with nicer tone. Knowing that he was terminally ill adds quite a moving element to the performances. Non to mention that it was quite a bargain for only $12!)

Fully concur. And the other Oleg Kagan's recording of the partitas (on Live Classics) is besides superb.

Oh yes, I have many! Schnittke, Gubiadulina, Brahms, all sorts. His wife, Natalia Gutman, is an equally fine cellist. I saw her play Schnittke'south Cello Concerto No.i--it was devastating (in a good way!). I idea the roof was going to come up off the SF Davies Symphony Hall during the last move!

Postal service by **Steinway** » Dominicus Aug xvi, 2009 7:46 pm

In that location is a super performance of the Bach Partitas for violin past Gregory Fulkerson on Bridge that is the finest I've ever heard.

I wonder how many of the readers even know this great recording or anything about this tremendous artist?

Post by **Lance** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 vii:55 pm

Somone inquired about Leonid Kogan'southward possible recordings of the Bach Solo Violin Sonatas & Partitas. Kogan recorded the Sonata #3 in C, BWV 1005, for Orion Master Recordings. It has subsequently been reissued on the Canadian Marquis characterization [83119, budget-priced] coupled with Prokofiev's Violin Sonata #2 with Ephraim Koenig at the piano. Otherwise, Kogan recorded one audio excerpts only from the Partita #1 in b, BWV 1002 (Sarabande only) for EMI, now on Testament 1227. An extract from some other Partita appears on a DVD.

Postal service by **Chalkperson** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 ix:21 pm

Cliftwood wrote:There is a super functioning of the Bach Partitas for violin by Gregory Fulkerson on Bridge that is the finest I've ever heard.

I wonder how many of the readers fifty-fifty know this great recording or anything nigh this tremendous artist?

Hey Harris, I come across you are back from your Sabattical...

Post by **Chalkperson** » Sun Aug xvi, 2009 9:48 pm

Lance wrote:Somone inquired about Leonid Kogan's possible recordings of the Bach Solo Violin Sonatas & Partitas. Kogan recorded the Sonata #3 in C, BWV 1005, for Orion Chief Recordings. It has after been reissued on the Canadian Marquis label [83119, budget-priced] coupled with Prokofiev'southward Violin Sonata #two with Ephraim Koenig at the pianoforte. Otherwise, Kogan recorded ane audio excerpts simply from the Partita #one in b, BWV 1002 (Sarabande only) for EMI, at present on Testament 1227. An excerpt from some other Partita appears on a DVD.

The unabridged Partita No.1 is available hither...

http://www.audiolunchbox.com/album?a=171282&z=

And the DVD you mention is here..

http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/alb ... m_id=74817

Mail service by **Lance** » Sun Aug sixteen, 2009 11:46 pm

Ah yes, merely the Partita No. one is a DOWNLOAD. A pity that tin can't be had on an actual commercial CD.

Chalkperson wrote:

Lance wrote:Somone inquired about Leonid Kogan'south possible recordings of the Bach Solo Violin Sonatas & Partitas. Kogan recorded the Sonata #3 in C, BWV 1005, for Orion Master Recordings. It has subsequently been reissued on the Canadian Marquis label [83119, budget-priced] coupled with Prokofiev'southward Violin Sonata #2 with Ephraim Koenig at the piano. Otherwise, Kogan recorded one audio excerpts only from the Partita #1 in b, BWV 1002 (Sarabande only) for EMI, now on Testament 1227. An extract from another Partita appears on a DVD.

The entire Partita No.1 is available here...

http://www.audiolunchbox.com/album?a=171282&z=

And the DVD y'all mention is here..

http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/alb ... m_id=74817

Postal service past **Lance** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 eleven:50 pm

I certainly know the name of Gregory Fulkerson. I don't have his Bridge recording of the Bach Partitas/Sonatas, only he studied with amid the all-time, including Dorothy DeLay, and Ivan Galamian.

Cliftwood wrote:There is a super performance of the Bach Partitas for violin by Gregory Fulkerson on Bridge that is the finest I've ever heard.

I wonder how many of the readers even know this great recording or anything well-nigh this tremendous artist?

Post by **Chalkperson** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:fifteen am

Lance wrote:Ah aye, but the Partita No. 1 is a DOWNLOAD. A pity that can't be had on an actual commercial CD.

I'll download it for five bucks, enhance it a footling, then burn down you a CD for 10 bucks...

Post past **gfweis** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:49 am

Lance & Chalkie...it was I who inquired about Kogan and the Bach Sonatas & Partitas. Thanks for the (arcane!) info, Lance, and for the links, Chalkie.

Post past **premont** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:55 pm

Marc wrote:[Yep, it's very hard to get the Fernandez. The Flora characterization isn't a large company, I think. Yet they brand recordings with very skilled HIP-artists like François Fernandez, Marc Haintaï, Philippe Pierlot and Rainer Zipperling.
I got the Bach solo violin works from this site:
http://www.prelude-klassiekemuziek.nl/engels.html
If you tin't observe the cd's right away, then it's always possible to transport an email. I'm pretty sure that shipping abroad won't be a trouble.

Thanks for the link, Marc. I shall try to get concur of the Fernandez (as well every bit the Zipperling cello suites).

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